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Dec 27th, 2016 at 10:49am

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Hi,
Unsure if this an Pocket EasyVFR issue, a Dynon SkyView issue, or even an iOS issue but recently I have noticed that it takes a long time after loading a Flightplan for the button on the page to go from 'Waiting for SkyView' to 'Send F/Plan to SkyView. It used to be almost instantly and now takes probably 3-5minutes or more for the button to change to 'Send F/Plan to SkyView'.
Recently I have done updates to SkyView and EasyVFR and also updated my iPad Mini to the latest software so it is difficult to work out just when it started to get so slow.
In settings the iPad shows that it has found the SkyView Wif-fi but the button in EasyVFR just takes ages to change to 'Send'.
I wonder if it is a Skyview Wi-fi dongle problem?

Any ideas or thoughts appreciated.

I have also posted this question on the Pocketfms EasyVFR forum.

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Reply #1 - Dec 31st, 2016 at 10:10am

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Reply #2 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 6:19pm

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Hi Alan,

I think this might be the first report of this behavior we're hearing, but we're happy to look into it.

A couple of questions: Do you have 1 or 2 SkyView displays? And once SkyView is powered on and fully booted, does the wifi status in the wifi setup menu show anything amiss? Or does it report ONLINE with everything in the green right away?
 

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Reply #3 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 6:26pm

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AlanR wrote on Dec 31st, 2016 at 10:10am:
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Reply #4 - Jan 4th, 2017 at 2:18am

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Dynon Avionics wrote on Jan 3rd, 2017 at 6:19pm:
Hi Alan,

I think this might be the first report of this behavior we're hearing, but we're happy to look into it.

A couple of questions: Do you have 1 or 2 SkyView displays? And once SkyView is powered on and fully booted, does the wifi status in the wifi setup menu show anything amiss? Or does it report ONLINE with everything in the green right away?



I have two D1000's both with wifi dongles. In the wifi setup menu it shows Wifi-Online. In other word nothing amiss. The Ipad with Pfms/EasyVFR shows 'Waiting for Skyview'. Settings on the ipad mini show that it has found the Skyview wifi. At this point it just doesn't send to Skyview....so you wait and wait and then eventually it does change to 'Sending to Skyview' and all is ok. But you just don't know if this is going to happen or not.
It is however intermittent, yesterday I tried it and it sent the F/plan straight away like it used to before updates....So I am at a loss as to what is causing the issue.
The problem is having recently updated the firmware in the Skyviews and updated the ipad to the latest version and updated EasyVFR to the latest version I can't pinpoint which update has caused this to happen.
Previously F/plan was sent immediately, straight away each and every time.
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Reply #5 - Jan 4th, 2017 at 7:26pm

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When it's showing the "waiting for SkyView" on the button, does leaving the menu where that's shown, and backing out to the map, and then going back in help it along?
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 10:15am

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I flew today and it hung still showing 'Waiting for Skyview' for 4 minutes (timed). Going out to Map and back in again made no difference or at least didn't seem to. It may have been me doing this,I don't know that finally activated it but it unfortunately to my eyes made no difference at all. Undecided
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 6:04pm

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So we weren't able to reproduce the issue here, with the following setup: EasyVFR 3.93, Skyview 15.0.4, and iOS 10.2 on an iPad mini (not sure which version of the mini).  What are all of your versions?
 

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Reply #8 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 2:40am

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I have EasyVFR 3.93, and Skyview 15.0.4.

I use one of two x Ipad mini2's whichever I have at hand at the time. Now I wonder if this is the issue because on checking one has 10.0.2 and the other one has 10.1.1.
I thought I had the latest iOS versions on both but obviously not.
I will update both Ipad mini's to 10.2 and try again and see what happens and if this fixes things.
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 4:58pm

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One other thing you might try: turn on only one SkyView display (or power one of them down), and see if that makes a difference. It shouldn't, but it's worth experimenting with.
 

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Reply #10 - Jan 26th, 2017 at 8:03am

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I am having problems exporting and importing flight plans from Skyview to/from the FltPlan Go App on my iPAD and iPhone.  I've been talking to Brady in Tech Support about this.  It sounds like this might be related to the problems discussed in this thread.
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 12:39pm

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Using Skyview Classic, ver 15.0.3 and Wi-Fi equipped, how to transfer a Skyvector .gpx file that is an attachment to an email on my iphone 6 (ver 10.1.1)
Skyiew does not initiate contact, Settings show Skyview WI Fi connected. Tapping the file icon, brings up Air Drop.
This is the first time I tried this and may not be part of this thread.
 
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Reply #12 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 5:58pm

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Using WiFi to send a file to SkyView is not a supported operation. You need to use a flight planning tool on your iPhone in order to do this.
 

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Reply #13 - Sep 23rd, 2017 at 1:22am

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I reported on this earlier this year ( see first post on this thread) and I still have the problem of waiting time when transferring a Flightplan from Ipad Mini to Skyview....'Waiting for Skyview' shown on Ipad.
The problem seems to be on first startup from cold as though the wifi dongles needs time to warm up? From cold it takes up to 5minutes before the button on the Ipad changes changes to 'Send flightplan to Skyview'. When you are sitting there with the engine running waiting to go 5minutes seems like eternity!
However after a flight for say lunch I get back in the plane for a return flight and everything is warm it will work immediately.. The button immediately changes to 'Send flightplan to Skyview'.
Do you think the dongle or dongles need replacing? (I have one in each display).
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Reply #14 - Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:21am

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AlanR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 1:22am:
Do you think the dongle or dongles need replacing? (I have one in each display).

No.
Before doing anything else, I would delete the Skyview wi-fi network off your iPad.
Then . . . reconnect to it again . . with a "join" automatic preference, so it will remember it.
It may be, your iPad is just having a hard time making a solid wi-fi connection to the Skyview network.
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Reply #15 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:01am

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wmince wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:21am:
AlanR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 1:22am:
Do you think the dongle or dongles need replacing? (I have one in each display).

No.
Before doing anything else, I would delete the Skyview wi-fi network off your iPad.
Then . . . reconnect to it again . . with a "join" automatic preference, so it will remember it.
It may be, your iPad is just having a hard time making a solid wi-fi connection to the Skyview network.


It is a good thought and one which I will certainly try. However I have 2 iPad mini's, whichever one I happen to have with me that day, and they both do the same thing.
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Reply #16 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 7:35am

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If you go into setup while waiting, what IP address is associated with each dongle? You'll have to check both screens. The IPs should be different. If they are the same, you will have issues.
 

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Reply #17 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 1:42am

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Well to continue this thread further. yet again. The issue continues and I have checked IP addresses ( all good) and tried it with turning one Skyview off etc. etc.
However a very recent interesting observation...
I have now discovered if I boot up the Ipad and do all the route/flightplan stuff before I start engine/turn on and the boot the Skyviews the moment the Skyviews are fully booted up I immediately get 'Send to Skyview'....all good!

If however I start engine/ boot up the Skyviews and then turn on the Ipad and do flightplan stuff as I usually do whilst the engine is warming up I get 'Waiting for Skyview' and it just hangs and hangs for 5minutes or longer. I have even taken off and been flying for 10-15minutes before it goes to 'Send to Skyview'

So I have at last after all these months discovered a workround which is great but can anyone shed any light on why this happens this way?
Just to recap I have 2 x Ipad mini2 and they both do the same thing so I personally still suspect it is something to do with the Dynon dongles.


 
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Reply #18 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 12:46pm

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Do you have backup batteries on both screens so they have power during startup? It could be that the screens are losing enough power that the network is resetting and not recovering gracefully.
 

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Reply #19 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 1:33am

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I have one backup battery connected to the P1 screen.The P2 screen does not have a backup battery.
Usually I just turn on the P1 screen before start up and then the P2 screen after starting to save main battery power ( EarthX) prior to start.
Seems to make no difference to the problem though if one or both turned on.
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Have you run a test on the P1 screen backup battery ?
 

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Reply #21 - Nov 1st, 2017 at 1:12am

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RayInGA wrote on Oct 31st, 2017 at 10:17am:
Have you run a test on the P1 screen backup battery ?


Not recently no....Tested about 7 or 8months ago and was ok then. I will redo the battery test and see what I get.
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Reply #22 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 2:22am

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I ran the backup battery test and it showed as successful..greater than 45minutes.
So looks like I am stuck with the workaround unless anyone as any other ideas to try. Sad
 
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Reply #23 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 7:01am

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I suspect that the issue relates to having only one backup battery. If I recall, the system wants to see both screens online before it will allow network communications.

I recall seeing a network related error when I switched off one of my screens because the system expected both WiFi adapters to be online.
 

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Reply #24 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:21am

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One screen on-line or two screens on-line unfortunately seems to make no difference to the length of time it just hangs 'Waiting for Skyview'. Eventually, sometimes longer than others it eventually changes to 'Send to Skyview'.
The workaround..boot up and do all the flight plan stuff on the ipad before engine start or booting up the Skyview screens seems to work better. Even this way a couple of times recently it hangs a few minutes I am now finding.
The problem is always from first engine start/boot up of the day. Second or more flights it works immediately.

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Reply #25 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:05am

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I raise this yet again in the vain hope that someone has the answer or has come across something similar.It has been going on for a long time now and seems to be getting worse!...Transferring Flightpans from Pocketfms to Skyview.

The problem I posted back in 2016 as the original poster of this thread continues...

I have flown today. It now hangs for ages showing 'Waiting for SkyView' I have 2 x Dynon Skyviews and they both have the Dynon WiFi dongles and show that the Wi-fi is active and turned on. I flew for 1hour and on shutdown it still showed 'Waiting for SkyView'.
I had lunch and then for the return flight I loaded up the Flightplan and it immediately changed to 'Send to SkyView' as it should and worked perfectly...so frustrating!..I just don't understand it!. The transfer of the flightplan is important to me because I run my Autopilot from the Flightplan in the Dynon Skyviews.
The problem seems to be from initial cold startup. Once things warm up or time goes by it works perfectly....every time!

The Ipads...I have two iPad Mini2's, they both do the same thing. I do not have Sim cards in them and so are not connected to any mobile network provider.
In Pocket FMS EasyVFR Dynon Menu settings 'Heartbeat Port'settings shows as 8384 whatever that means and the 'Command Port' shows as 64099. Do these seem right?

When it is showing 'Waiting for SkyView'.....The ipadMini2 is NOT showing as connected to SkyView...It is searching but cannot find even though in SkyView WiFi is shown as active and turned on.
I am wondering if I should buy two replacement Dynon WiFi dongles on the basis that one of them maybe be faulty?

I am at a loss to get to the bottom of this issue so any ideas however far fetched they may seem I will try.

I have also once again posted this again on the Pocket FMS forum.
https://www.pocketfms.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=10511
The problem is either the Dynon dongles or the App or the way I have it set up. Someone must have the answer?
Help please...

Alan.
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We've heard rare reports of this - a small handful in thousands of installs. Are you saying that you aren't even able to connect to the SkyView Wi-Fi access point? One thought - try constraining your system down to one display by powering the other down. You'll then need to do a network configuration so that that display thinks that it's the only one in the system. Then, make sure Wi-Fi is still showing online in SkyView setup. Does that change the behavior? Rinse, repeat with the other display. Basically, we're looking to see if the performance issue is tied to one of the dongles (and if it seems to be, swap the dongles in the displays to confirm that it's the dongles and not somehow the displays)
 

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Dynon Avionics wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
We've heard rare reports of this - a small handful in thousands of installs. Are you saying that you aren't even able to connect to the SkyView Wi-Fi access point? One thought - try constraining your system down to one display by powering the other down. You'll then need to do a network configuration so that that display thinks that it's the only one in the system. Then, make sure Wi-Fi is still showing online in SkyView setup. Does that change the behavior? Rinse, repeat with the other display. Basically, we're looking to see if the performance issue is tied to one of the dongles (and if it seems to be, swap the dongles in the displays to confirm that it's the dongles and not somehow the displays)

I find that great strategy.
 
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Dynon Avionics wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
We've heard rare reports of this - a small handful in thousands of installs. Are you saying that you aren't even able to connect to the SkyView Wi-Fi access point? One thought - try constraining your system down to one display by powering the other down. You'll then need to do a network configuration so that that display thinks that it's the only one in the system. Then, make sure Wi-Fi is still showing online in SkyView setup. Does that change the behavior? Rinse, repeat with the other display. Basically, we're looking to see if the performance issue is tied to one of the dongles (and if it seems to be, swap the dongles in the displays to confirm that it's the dongles and not somehow the displays)


Dynon.Thanks for the quick input.
When it won't send i.e 'Waiting for Skyview' I have tried going in to Wifi settings on the IpadMini but the Dynon Skyview wifi network option is not showing. It is searching for it but cannot find. So I try manually putting in the Skyview IP address address but i just get a popup saying 'can't find' or 'does not exist' I forget the actual phraseology but it can't find the Dynon Wifi as a wifi option point to lock on to. So at that point there is no Wi-fi signal being sent out from the dongle/s it seems although D1000 wifi settings do show the Wifi in both displays turned on and live.

The additional problem I have is that this problem is not consistant. It does not do it every time. I have thought in the past I had a workround, powering the Ipad before the Dynon etc. but no it is no good, the issue is getting worse. I can guarantee though that when I want to get the fault it will behave perfectly!!!

I have tried with only one D1000 powered up.Tried both of them this way but it has made no difference.
However I have not tried this doing a Network config individually with each display separately powered up, or swapping the dongles, and separating them this way so I will try that and report back but like I said when I am trying to make it misbehave it probably won't, so I may not know for a while if the fault has gone away or I have located it or not. It is the inconsistancy of the fault that is driving me mad. A consistant fault would be so much easier to track down.

Thanks again.
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Reply #29 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 6:01am

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Well the frustration continues ...An update:-
I did today what Dynon Support suggested and powered each display separately and configured individually....initially without any problems at all...'Send to Skyview' happened immediately with both displays powered this way.....grr!
So in disgust with it all I shut everything down and went for a coffee.
Came back and did the same thing again and I managed to replicate the fault with just the P1 display alone powered up. 'Waiting for Skyview' just hung there and settings showed online and all active.It was still hanging after 5minutes. So I thought success!... At last I have pinpointed the issue to the P1 display/dongle!
So I then swapped the P1 and P2 Wi-fi dongles over and tried again.....
However I could not replicate the fault again, wifi 'Send to Skyview' in both displays worked immediately and perfectly not matter how hard I tried, and I tried numerous times shutting both down and configuring individually. I wiggled the dongles to see if it was a connection issue but it made no difference. It worked perfectly every time.

So I can only conclude from this that the issue I think is either the wi-fi dongle that was originally in the P1 display or the P1 display itself is faulty.
It could still be the IpadMini I suppose or even the PocketFms App just messing me around but its a starting point to the answer.....I think/hope!

So I have now ordered a replacement Wi-fi dongle and we will see what happens....
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AlanR wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 6:01am:
So I have now ordered a replacement Wi-fi dongle and we will see what happens....

What brand of Wi-Fi dongle have you been using?
What brand did you just order?
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Reply #31 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 2:21pm

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wmince wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 12:05pm:
AlanR wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 6:01am:
So I have now ordered a replacement Wi-fi dongle and we will see what happens....

What brand of Wi-Fi dongle have you been using?
What brand did you just order?


I thought there was only one Wi-fi dongle to use with Skyview?......The official Dynon Wi-fi Adaptor dongle that Dynon say needs to be fitted in each Skyview display in order to seamlessly send flight plans from Ipad to Skyview. Is there another option that I don't know about?

I have now decided to replace both of them...May be a shotgun approach but it should at least eliminate them once and all from the issue.

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FYI, I use a nano sized usb wi-fi on both my RVs.† Was concerned about the length of the official size-wi-fi stick eventually causing problems.† Mine works fine so I donít think there is anything proprietary about the Dynon wi-fi adapter.
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While there are some other dongles out there that might happen to work, we only support the ones we actually sell. There are subtle but real differences in the chipsets that are inside of the random ones you can find on Amazon and similar, even from production run to production run of the same model.
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Reply #34 - Jun 24th, 2018 at 1:01am

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An update..
Well I have now changed both genuine Dynon Wifi dongles with like for like new ones.
Having done 3 flights now I can say that everything is working perfectly. Changes from 'Waiting for Skyview' to 'Send to Skyview' on Pocketfms Easyvfr happen straight away and all is good. Smiley

I just hope this is the end of the issue and it has been a faulty wifi dongle intermittently messing me around for all this time.Time will tell so fingers crossed!
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AlanR wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 1:01am:
An update..
Well I have now changed both genuine Dynon Wifi dongles with like for like new ones.
Having done 3 flights now I can say that everything is working perfectly. Changes from 'Waiting for Skyview' to 'Send to Skyview' on Pocketfms Easyvfr happen straight away and all is good. Smiley

Good.
And thanks for the update.
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Reply #36 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 12:31am

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Well..looks like I spoke too soon.
Since changing both Wifi dongles back in June everything has worked perfectly every time until yesterday when I got the old problem happening again!
I flew two one hour flights and both times I got the 'Waiting for Skyview' thing just the same as I did previously. Not quite as long as in the past, maybe 5-6minutes before changing to 'Send to Skyview, but the concern when you are waiting is, is it going to change at all and when!
So it seems changing the wifi dongles has not got to bottom of the issue. Cry
Clutching at straws now but wondering now if this maybe is some sort of interference issue from other instruments/wiring etc in the panel although nothing as changed since I built the plane two years ago.

To re-cap:- I have 2 x D1000 Skyviews with a backup Battery connected to the P1 screen only. Previously someone mentioned that maybe the backup battery was the issue. I performed the annual test a couple of months ago and it tested good.
The engine ( Rotax) is running when I am doing/attempting the IpadMini2 /Skyview flightplan transfer although in the past ( pre wifi dongle change) it made no difference engine running or not I still got the issue.

All thoughts ideas appreciated....


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Reply #37 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 5:12am

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Alan, just a thought - if you havenít done this try using the iPad without ships power & pull the adapter plug out of the 12volt socket if thatís the way itís been powered. Wink
 
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Reply #38 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 8:16am

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Hi Jake,
Thanks for the input however I am usually using Ipad mini2 without any ships power for local flights. I can get 3.5hours use before needing to plug in to any power.
 
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There doesn't seem to be any knew ideas coming through here on the forum to my issue so I will continue with Dynon Support directly bey email.
 
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Reply #40 - Aug 5th, 2018 at 7:04am

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There doesn't seem to be any knew ideas coming through here on the forum to my issue so probably my best plan is to continue with Dynon Support directly by email.
 
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Reply #41 - Aug 22nd, 2018 at 10:09am

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Well,

I am getting nowhere with this issue with Dynon Support ( Case 310520)
First I was told that it is not a problem that anyone has heard off.
However digging deeper it seems that others have this problem and it is now being suggested to me to try other makes of non Dynon wifi dongles at yet more expense to me in the remote chance that they might work. I wonder how many I have to try! I have replaced the genuine Dynon dongles already once in June this year. I am now suspecting this wifi transfer problem is a bigger problem than I first thought with twin Skyview systems and maybe widespread.

Can anyone with twin Dynon Skyviews manage to transfer on a regular basis Pocketfms EasyVfr flightplans I wonder?

I have had the problem for two years since buying/installing† 2 x Skyview D1000's and I am rather tired and disappointed by the lack of support for this issue I have! Angry

Alan.
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Reply #42 - Aug 22nd, 2018 at 10:47am

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Have you tried a different iPad flight planning tool to do the transfer? I find it hard to believe it is a problem with the dongles. That said, they likely work in the 2.5 GHz spectrum, which can have issues with other devices in that area (Bluetooth, microwaves, etc.).


 

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Reply #43 - Aug 22nd, 2018 at 11:39am

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Hi Ray,
I have tried two different Ipadmini tablets also a Samsung Galaxy S2 android tablet and also a Moto G5plus android phone.
It makes no difference, same result. One day it works one day it doesn't.
I too find it hard to believe it is the wifi dongles. I have held the tablet right next to the wifi dongle and it just doesn't send the flightplan even though settings in the tablet show connected and Skyview shows wifi enabled and connected.
I suspect the two Dynon wifi dongles are in conflict with each other. They have the same IP address I understand and I understand are pre-programmed and cannot be changed.
Non aviation computer guys tell that to have two wifi dongles with the same IPaddress in close proximity will cause issues.


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Reply #44 - Aug 22nd, 2018 at 1:42pm

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That is interesting that both boxes have the same IP. I don't see how it can work that way, myself. Each box has its own MAC address so the duplicate IPs would be a problem, IMO.

Have you confirmed with Dynon that duplicate IPs is the norm?

Does it work better if one dongle is disconnected?
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Reply #45 - Aug 22nd, 2018 at 2:19pm

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Dynon support say one acts as a master device and the other as a slave depending on which is powered up first. Both IP addresses the same.
I tried removing one wifi dongle completely today and with both screens powered up it totally refused to transfer the flightplan. Normally sometimes it does transfer, sometimes it doesn't but with one dongle removed it made things worse.

It is becoming apparant to me that this is a known problem. Wifi transfer is at absolute best very flaky and at worst just does not work in a twin Dynon Skyview setup.



 
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AlanR wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 2:19pm:
Dynon support say one acts as a master device and the other as a slave depending on which is powered up first. Both IP addresses the same.
I tried removing one wifi dongle completely today and with both screens powered up it totally refused to transfer the flightplan. Normally sometimes it does transfer, sometimes it doesn't but with one dongle removed it made things worse.

It is becoming apparant to me that this is a known problem. Wifi transfer is at absolute best very flaky and at worst just does not work in a twin Dynon Skyview setup.


I agree with Ray.   Each device has a MAC address, which in turn MUST have an unique IP address for each MAC address.  There is absolutely no way IP will work with duplicate IP addresses.

I have AFS screens, so I'm by no means a Dynon EFIS expert.   Have you tried setting your PFS and MFD with static IP addresses?  I'm assuming that's possible.

Your WiFi dongle should have a third IP address, but may not be in the same subnet as your screens.

To me, it appears to be a configuration issue.

In my opinion, your PFD should always be the MASTER.  AFS has a method via assigning IP static addresses that ensures that the PFD is the MASTER.  I would assume that Dynon does something very similar.
 
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It should not have gotten worse with one dongle removed; it should have transferred the flight plan to only one screen.

I just checked my SV1000T screens and they have different IP addresses. I can't see the subnet mask but guessing it is 255.255.0.0, based on the IPs.

Do you have the screens connected with an Ethernet cable? If not, that could explain the issue.
 

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Reply #48 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 2:30pm

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Dynon support tell me that the IP addresses in Skyview are not user configurable. The wifi-dongles are also pre-coded apparantly.
The two Skyview screens are connected by an Ethernet cable.
I have tried disconnecting the Ethernet cable but it makes no difference to the abilty to transfer the flightplan on the occasion when it refuses to send the flightplan.

Pleae keep the ideas coming....
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Reply #49 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 5:02pm

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So SkyView self-configures everything - although you can see the IP addresses, there isn't any way (or need) to manually configure anything. It should "just work". If you want to test with just one display and dongle, you MUST do a SkyView network configuration from just that display with the other one powered off. Essentially, you want the system to believe that it's a one display system.
 

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Reply #50 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 10:53pm

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Hello

I had also problem with the dongle. I live the pigtail and put the dongle direct in the Skyview. No problems since.

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Reply #51 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 11:56pm

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Hi Daniel,
I have tried a while ago leaving the pigtail off and putting the dongle directly in the Skyviews but it didn't seem to make any difference. Good thought though and I may try that again just to experiment.
I have also tried putting the wifi dongles on long extension leads and relocated them well away from any other instrumentation to experiment and see if it made a difference....No difference.
Sometimes it will send the flightplan straight away, other times it won't. No pattern to it.

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Reply #52 - Aug 24th, 2018 at 12:01am

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Dynon,
I have done exactly what you say and re-configured with one display only in an attempt to pinpoint the issue to one particular Skyview display. It doesn't make any difference.
On no particular day it will not send in this configuration to the P1 display and another day it will not send to the P2 display in a single Skyview configuration. So I cannot pinpoint the fault to a single display.
The whole problem is that it is not consistant. One day the flightplan transfer will work perfectly and send the flightplan immediately another day it will just not change to 'Send' at all and I do the flight without a flighplan transfer from iPad to Skyview. Or maybe it will take anything between 5-15minutes before it will change to 'Send'. Sometimes it will change to 'Send' but will still not actually send the flightplan.
I still think the problem is an IP network conflict.
The alternative thought is possibly an issue in the Pocketfms EasyVfr App when installed in a twin Skyview setup. I am in email contact with Rob Weijers of Pocketfms who is sympathetic and helpful to my situation and looking in to this possible theory.
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AlanR wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 12:01am:
Dynon,
I have done exactly what you say and re-configured with one display only in an attempt to pinpoint the issue to one particular Skyview display. It doesn't make any difference.
On no particular day it will not send in this configuration to the P1 display and another day it will not send to the P2 display in a single Skyview configuration. So I cannot pinpoint the fault to a single display.
The whole problem is that it is not consistant. One day the flightplan transfer will work perfectly and send the flightplan immediately another day it will just not change to 'Send' at all and I do the flight without a flighplan transfer from iPad to Skyview. Or maybe it will take anything between 5-15minutes before it will change to 'Send'. Sometimes it will change to 'Send' but will still not actually send the flightplan.
I still think the problem is an IP network conflict.
The alternative thought is possibly an issue in the Pocketfms EasyVfr App when installed in a twin Skyview setup. I am in email contact with Rob Weijers of Pocketfms who is sympathetic and helpful to my situation and looking in to this possible theory.


This is speculation, since I don't have enough data to come to any conclusion.

I'm assuming the two screens have a single Ethernet cable going to them and you aren't using an Ethernet switch.

It sounds like the EFIS aren't on the same network and each assigning the default master IP address which is the same.

This would imply one of three potential issues:

1.  Your Ethernet cable is bad.  (i.e. there is an open circuit)

2. The Ethernet cable isn't solidly plugged in until you hear the click

3. You're using a standard Ethernet cable instead of the "null" cable specifically made for connecting two devices together without a switch.   Dynon may overcome this issue in software, but most vendors don't.   The manual should state the cable requirements.
 
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Reply #54 - Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:05am

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The fitted Ethernet cable is the one supplied by Dynon and I don't have an Ethernet switch.

I have checked that both ends of the Ethernet cable are fully clicked in. I have removed and refitted them several times.

As you say I suppose it could be that the Ethernet cable is bad?
However when I do data updates I only do them into one Skyview screen and the data is updated to both Skyviews so if the Ethernet cable was bad I wouldn't have thought it would transfer updates all ok?
Worthy of a consideration though I guess.

Thanks for the input.
 
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AlanR wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:05am:
The fitted Ethernet cable is the one supplied by Dynon and I don't have an Ethernet switch.

I have checked that both ends of the Ethernet cable are fully clicked in. I have removed and refitted them several times.

As you say I suppose it could be that the Ethernet cable is bad?
However when I do data updates I only do them into one Skyview screen and the data is updated to both Skyviews so if the Ethernet cable was bad I wouldn't have thought it would transfer updates all ok?
Worthy of a consideration though I guess.

Thanks for the input.


Your symptoms don't make sense to me from a standard IP networking perspective.

If both of your screens have the same IP address, then they shouldn't be able to transfer any data.

Unless you are referring to devices that are attached to serial ports.

The fact that they are getting the same IP address would imply that the two screens can't talk to each other during the startup process and are unable to negotiate appropriate roles.
 
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Not to discourage the conversation, but the things you're chasing here - IP addresses and ethernet - are red herrings. The ethernet cable is ONLY used to transfer aviation/obstacle databases between displays. It doesn't have any bearing on other real-time display communications like information that is shared via the wi-fi adapters. There also isn't an IP conflict situation here. Whatever is happening here is something more subtle (subtle enough that it's rare - know that there are thousands of you on the forum here, and there are one or two people in this thread that are having issues, with the rest helping with tips and tricks).

Is there anyone else here using PocketFMS?
 

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Reply #57 - Aug 28th, 2018 at 9:54am

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For what its worth...
Rob Weijers at PockerFMS (EasyVFR) tells me that my situation is unusual in that all the aircraft he has come across in Europe have a single Skyview. I have twin Dynon Skyviews. He has considered that it could be in the programming of the EasyVFR App. But he is as confused as I am over this.
I flew on Saturday and it all worked perfectly!!..
Next time I fly who knows?
This is how it has been for two years now.....
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"Is there anyone else here using PocketFMS?"

Yes, I'm using pocketFMS (=easyVFR). Two SV 10" displays, two wifi sticks from Dynon. Never had any issues with sending flight plans to SV's
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skyview_user wrote on Aug 29th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
"Is there anyone else here using PocketFMS?"

Yes, I'm using pocketFMS (=easyVFR). Two SV 10" displays, two wifi sticks from Dynon. Never had any issues with sending flight plans to SV's


Hi,
This is interesting...
Just to compare with what you have installed :-
What aircraft do you have?...metal? composite? tube /fabric?
Are the Skyviews touch screen or classic D1000's?
Are you using the wifi dongles with the pigtails or directly in to the Skyviews?
Whereabouts in the world are you?...Are you using EasyVfr European version?
What model/type of Tablet are you using to send the flightplans...iOS or Android?

 
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AlanR wrote on Aug 29th, 2018 at 1:58pm:
skyview_user wrote on Aug 29th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
"Is there anyone else here using PocketFMS?"

Yes, I'm using pocketFMS (=easyVFR). Two SV 10" displays, two wifi sticks from Dynon. Never had any issues with sending flight plans to SV's


Hi,
This is interesting...
Just to compare with what you have installed :-
What aircraft do you have?...metal? composite? tube /fabric?
Are the Skyviews touch screen or classic D1000's?
Are you using the wifi dongles with the pigtails or directly in to the Skyviews?
Whereabouts in the world are you?...Are you using EasyVfr European version?
What model/type of Tablet are you using to send the flightplans...iOS or Android?



- metal
- classic touch, no hdx
- directly
- european version
- android only, few versions, few vendors (samsung, LG, ...)
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Reply #61 - Sep 2nd, 2018 at 12:33am

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Ok, Thanks for that.
It seems like you have a similar setup to me. The only difference being I have D1000 Skyviews and you have Touch Skyviews. So that rules out any theory that my problem is being cause by the PocketFms EasyVfr App if you have no issues transferring a flightplan.
Hmm... I am therefore back square one in trying to resolve things.Sad
 
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Reply #62 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 9:27am

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Last week I flew and flightplans transfered immediately and every time.

Today:-
I started up the aircraft and tried to transfer a flightplan and got the same old problem!!!
It just hangs' Waiting for Skyview' So I waited approx 10minutes and it is still showing 'Waiting for Skyview'. I shut everything down...both Skyviews powered off. Ipad powered off and started again. I still got 'Waiting for Skyview'.
So I took off and flew for 1hour to my lunch destination and it never changed from 'Waiting for Skyview' during the one hour flight.
After lunch I went back to the aircraft and started up and it immediately changed from 'Waiting' to 'Send to Skyview.' it worked perfectly. I flew the one hour trip back home. After shutting down. I tried to send flightplans again....and each time it worked and transfered flightplans immediately and perfectly. I tried a total of 5 times and it worked perfectly...changing to 'Send to Skyview' immediately.

The same situation that I have had for two years now, have tried everything that has been suggested to me.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

My patience is wearing thin! Angry


 
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