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Dec 27th, 2016 at 10:49am

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Hi,
Unsure if this an Pocket EasyVFR issue, a Dynon SkyView issue, or even an iOS issue but recently I have noticed that it takes a long time after loading a Flightplan for the button on the page to go from 'Waiting for SkyView' to 'Send F/Plan to SkyView. It used to be almost instantly and now takes probably 3-5minutes or more for the button to change to 'Send F/Plan to SkyView'.
Recently I have done updates to SkyView and EasyVFR and also updated my iPad Mini to the latest software so it is difficult to work out just when it started to get so slow.
In settings the iPad shows that it has found the SkyView Wif-fi but the button in EasyVFR just takes ages to change to 'Send'.
I wonder if it is a Skyview Wi-fi dongle problem?

Any ideas or thoughts appreciated.

I have also posted this question on the Pocketfms EasyVFR forum.

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Reply #2 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 6:19pm

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Hi Alan,

I think this might be the first report of this behavior we're hearing, but we're happy to look into it.

A couple of questions: Do you have 1 or 2 SkyView displays? And once SkyView is powered on and fully booted, does the wifi status in the wifi setup menu show anything amiss? Or does it report ONLINE with everything in the green right away?
 

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Reply #3 - Jan 3rd, 2017 at 6:26pm

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AlanR wrote on Dec 31st, 2016 at 10:10am:
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Reply #4 - Jan 4th, 2017 at 2:18am

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Dynon Avionics wrote on Jan 3rd, 2017 at 6:19pm:
Hi Alan,

I think this might be the first report of this behavior we're hearing, but we're happy to look into it.

A couple of questions: Do you have 1 or 2 SkyView displays? And once SkyView is powered on and fully booted, does the wifi status in the wifi setup menu show anything amiss? Or does it report ONLINE with everything in the green right away?



I have two D1000's both with wifi dongles. In the wifi setup menu it shows Wifi-Online. In other word nothing amiss. The Ipad with Pfms/EasyVFR shows 'Waiting for Skyview'. Settings on the ipad mini show that it has found the Skyview wifi. At this point it just doesn't send to Skyview....so you wait and wait and then eventually it does change to 'Sending to Skyview' and all is ok. But you just don't know if this is going to happen or not.
It is however intermittent, yesterday I tried it and it sent the F/plan straight away like it used to before updates....So I am at a loss as to what is causing the issue.
The problem is having recently updated the firmware in the Skyviews and updated the ipad to the latest version and updated EasyVFR to the latest version I can't pinpoint which update has caused this to happen.
Previously F/plan was sent immediately, straight away each and every time.
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Reply #5 - Jan 4th, 2017 at 7:26pm

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When it's showing the "waiting for SkyView" on the button, does leaving the menu where that's shown, and backing out to the map, and then going back in help it along?
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 10:15am

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I flew today and it hung still showing 'Waiting for Skyview' for 4 minutes (timed). Going out to Map and back in again made no difference or at least didn't seem to. It may have been me doing this,I don't know that finally activated it but it unfortunately to my eyes made no difference at all. Undecided
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 6:04pm

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So we weren't able to reproduce the issue here, with the following setup: EasyVFR 3.93, Skyview 15.0.4, and iOS 10.2 on an iPad mini (not sure which version of the mini).  What are all of your versions?
 

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Reply #8 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 2:40am

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I have EasyVFR 3.93, and Skyview 15.0.4.

I use one of two x Ipad mini2's whichever I have at hand at the time. Now I wonder if this is the issue because on checking one has 10.0.2 and the other one has 10.1.1.
I thought I had the latest iOS versions on both but obviously not.
I will update both Ipad mini's to 10.2 and try again and see what happens and if this fixes things.
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 4:58pm

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One other thing you might try: turn on only one SkyView display (or power one of them down), and see if that makes a difference. It shouldn't, but it's worth experimenting with.
 

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Reply #10 - Jan 26th, 2017 at 8:03am

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I am having problems exporting and importing flight plans from Skyview to/from the FltPlan Go App on my iPAD and iPhone.  I've been talking to Brady in Tech Support about this.  It sounds like this might be related to the problems discussed in this thread.
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 12:39pm

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Using Skyview Classic, ver 15.0.3 and Wi-Fi equipped, how to transfer a Skyvector .gpx file that is an attachment to an email on my iphone 6 (ver 10.1.1)
Skyiew does not initiate contact, Settings show Skyview WI Fi connected. Tapping the file icon, brings up Air Drop.
This is the first time I tried this and may not be part of this thread.
 
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Reply #12 - Jan 27th, 2017 at 5:58pm

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Using WiFi to send a file to SkyView is not a supported operation. You need to use a flight planning tool on your iPhone in order to do this.
 

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Reply #13 - Sep 23rd, 2017 at 1:22am

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I reported on this earlier this year ( see first post on this thread) and I still have the problem of waiting time when transferring a Flightplan from Ipad Mini to Skyview....'Waiting for Skyview' shown on Ipad.
The problem seems to be on first startup from cold as though the wifi dongles needs time to warm up? From cold it takes up to 5minutes before the button on the Ipad changes changes to 'Send flightplan to Skyview'. When you are sitting there with the engine running waiting to go 5minutes seems like eternity!
However after a flight for say lunch I get back in the plane for a return flight and everything is warm it will work immediately.. The button immediately changes to 'Send flightplan to Skyview'.
Do you think the dongle or dongles need replacing? (I have one in each display).
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Reply #14 - Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:21am

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AlanR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 1:22am:
Do you think the dongle or dongles need replacing? (I have one in each display).

No.
Before doing anything else, I would delete the Skyview wi-fi network off your iPad.
Then . . . reconnect to it again . . with a "join" automatic preference, so it will remember it.
It may be, your iPad is just having a hard time making a solid wi-fi connection to the Skyview network.
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Reply #15 - Sep 24th, 2017 at 1:01am

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wmince wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 9:21am:
AlanR wrote on Sep 23rd, 2017 at 1:22am:
Do you think the dongle or dongles need replacing? (I have one in each display).

No.
Before doing anything else, I would delete the Skyview wi-fi network off your iPad.
Then . . . reconnect to it again . . with a "join" automatic preference, so it will remember it.
It may be, your iPad is just having a hard time making a solid wi-fi connection to the Skyview network.


It is a good thought and one which I will certainly try. However I have 2 iPad mini's, whichever one I happen to have with me that day, and they both do the same thing.
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Reply #16 - Sep 25th, 2017 at 7:35am

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If you go into setup while waiting, what IP address is associated with each dongle? You'll have to check both screens. The IPs should be different. If they are the same, you will have issues.
 

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Reply #17 - Oct 30th, 2017 at 1:42am

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Well to continue this thread further. yet again. The issue continues and I have checked IP addresses ( all good) and tried it with turning one Skyview off etc. etc.
However a very recent interesting observation...
I have now discovered if I boot up the Ipad and do all the route/flightplan stuff before I start engine/turn on and the boot the Skyviews the moment the Skyviews are fully booted up I immediately get 'Send to Skyview'....all good!

If however I start engine/ boot up the Skyviews and then turn on the Ipad and do flightplan stuff as I usually do whilst the engine is warming up I get 'Waiting for Skyview' and it just hangs and hangs for 5minutes or longer. I have even taken off and been flying for 10-15minutes before it goes to 'Send to Skyview'

So I have at last after all these months discovered a workround which is great but can anyone shed any light on why this happens this way?
Just to recap I have 2 x Ipad mini2 and they both do the same thing so I personally still suspect it is something to do with the Dynon dongles.


 
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Do you have backup batteries on both screens so they have power during startup? It could be that the screens are losing enough power that the network is resetting and not recovering gracefully.
 

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Reply #19 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 1:33am

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I have one backup battery connected to the P1 screen.The P2 screen does not have a backup battery.
Usually I just turn on the P1 screen before start up and then the P2 screen after starting to save main battery power ( EarthX) prior to start.
Seems to make no difference to the problem though if one or both turned on.
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Have you run a test on the P1 screen backup battery ?
 

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Reply #21 - Nov 1st, 2017 at 1:12am

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RayInGA wrote on Oct 31st, 2017 at 10:17am:
Have you run a test on the P1 screen backup battery ?


Not recently no....Tested about 7 or 8months ago and was ok then. I will redo the battery test and see what I get.
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Reply #22 - Nov 4th, 2017 at 2:22am

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I ran the backup battery test and it showed as successful..greater than 45minutes.
So looks like I am stuck with the workaround unless anyone as any other ideas to try. Sad
 
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Reply #23 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 7:01am

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I suspect that the issue relates to having only one backup battery. If I recall, the system wants to see both screens online before it will allow network communications.

I recall seeing a network related error when I switched off one of my screens because the system expected both WiFi adapters to be online.
 

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Reply #24 - Nov 9th, 2017 at 1:21am

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One screen on-line or two screens on-line unfortunately seems to make no difference to the length of time it just hangs 'Waiting for Skyview'. Eventually, sometimes longer than others it eventually changes to 'Send to Skyview'.
The workaround..boot up and do all the flight plan stuff on the ipad before engine start or booting up the Skyview screens seems to work better. Even this way a couple of times recently it hangs a few minutes I am now finding.
The problem is always from first engine start/boot up of the day. Second or more flights it works immediately.

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Reply #25 - Jun 13th, 2018 at 10:05am

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I raise this yet again in the vain hope that someone has the answer or has come across something similar.It has been going on for a long time now and seems to be getting worse!...Transferring Flightpans from Pocketfms to Skyview.

The problem I posted back in 2016 as the original poster of this thread continues...

I have flown today. It now hangs for ages showing 'Waiting for SkyView' I have 2 x Dynon Skyviews and they both have the Dynon WiFi dongles and show that the Wi-fi is active and turned on. I flew for 1hour and on shutdown it still showed 'Waiting for SkyView'.
I had lunch and then for the return flight I loaded up the Flightplan and it immediately changed to 'Send to SkyView' as it should and worked perfectly...so frustrating!..I just don't understand it!. The transfer of the flightplan is important to me because I run my Autopilot from the Flightplan in the Dynon Skyviews.
The problem seems to be from initial cold startup. Once things warm up or time goes by it works perfectly....every time!

The Ipads...I have two iPad Mini2's, they both do the same thing. I do not have Sim cards in them and so are not connected to any mobile network provider.
In Pocket FMS EasyVFR Dynon Menu settings 'Heartbeat Port'settings shows as 8384 whatever that means and the 'Command Port' shows as 64099. Do these seem right?

When it is showing 'Waiting for SkyView'.....The ipadMini2 is NOT showing as connected to SkyView...It is searching but cannot find even though in SkyView WiFi is shown as active and turned on.
I am wondering if I should buy two replacement Dynon WiFi dongles on the basis that one of them maybe be faulty?

I am at a loss to get to the bottom of this issue so any ideas however far fetched they may seem I will try.

I have also once again posted this again on the Pocket FMS forum.
https://www.pocketfms.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=10511
The problem is either the Dynon dongles or the App or the way I have it set up. Someone must have the answer?
Help please...

Alan.
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We've heard rare reports of this - a small handful in thousands of installs. Are you saying that you aren't even able to connect to the SkyView Wi-Fi access point? One thought - try constraining your system down to one display by powering the other down. You'll then need to do a network configuration so that that display thinks that it's the only one in the system. Then, make sure Wi-Fi is still showing online in SkyView setup. Does that change the behavior? Rinse, repeat with the other display. Basically, we're looking to see if the performance issue is tied to one of the dongles (and if it seems to be, swap the dongles in the displays to confirm that it's the dongles and not somehow the displays)
 

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Dynon Avionics wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
We've heard rare reports of this - a small handful in thousands of installs. Are you saying that you aren't even able to connect to the SkyView Wi-Fi access point? One thought - try constraining your system down to one display by powering the other down. You'll then need to do a network configuration so that that display thinks that it's the only one in the system. Then, make sure Wi-Fi is still showing online in SkyView setup. Does that change the behavior? Rinse, repeat with the other display. Basically, we're looking to see if the performance issue is tied to one of the dongles (and if it seems to be, swap the dongles in the displays to confirm that it's the dongles and not somehow the displays)

I find that great strategy.
 
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Dynon Avionics wrote on Jun 13th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
We've heard rare reports of this - a small handful in thousands of installs. Are you saying that you aren't even able to connect to the SkyView Wi-Fi access point? One thought - try constraining your system down to one display by powering the other down. You'll then need to do a network configuration so that that display thinks that it's the only one in the system. Then, make sure Wi-Fi is still showing online in SkyView setup. Does that change the behavior? Rinse, repeat with the other display. Basically, we're looking to see if the performance issue is tied to one of the dongles (and if it seems to be, swap the dongles in the displays to confirm that it's the dongles and not somehow the displays)


Dynon.Thanks for the quick input.
When it won't send i.e 'Waiting for Skyview' I have tried going in to Wifi settings on the IpadMini but the Dynon Skyview wifi network option is not showing. It is searching for it but cannot find. So I try manually putting in the Skyview IP address address but i just get a popup saying 'can't find' or 'does not exist' I forget the actual phraseology but it can't find the Dynon Wifi as a wifi option point to lock on to. So at that point there is no Wi-fi signal being sent out from the dongle/s it seems although D1000 wifi settings do show the Wifi in both displays turned on and live.

The additional problem I have is that this problem is not consistant. It does not do it every time. I have thought in the past I had a workround, powering the Ipad before the Dynon etc. but no it is no good, the issue is getting worse. I can guarantee though that when I want to get the fault it will behave perfectly!!!

I have tried with only one D1000 powered up.Tried both of them this way but it has made no difference.
However I have not tried this doing a Network config individually with each display separately powered up, or swapping the dongles, and separating them this way so I will try that and report back but like I said when I am trying to make it misbehave it probably won't, so I may not know for a while if the fault has gone away or I have located it or not. It is the inconsistancy of the fault that is driving me mad. A consistant fault would be so much easier to track down.

Thanks again.
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Reply #29 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 6:01am

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Well the frustration continues ...An update:-
I did today what Dynon Support suggested and powered each display separately and configured individually....initially without any problems at all...'Send to Skyview' happened immediately with both displays powered this way.....grr!
So in disgust with it all I shut everything down and went for a coffee.
Came back and did the same thing again and I managed to replicate the fault with just the P1 display alone powered up. 'Waiting for Skyview' just hung there and settings showed online and all active.It was still hanging after 5minutes. So I thought success!... At last I have pinpointed the issue to the P1 display/dongle!
So I then swapped the P1 and P2 Wi-fi dongles over and tried again.....
However I could not replicate the fault again, wifi 'Send to Skyview' in both displays worked immediately and perfectly not matter how hard I tried, and I tried numerous times shutting both down and configuring individually. I wiggled the dongles to see if it was a connection issue but it made no difference. It worked perfectly every time.

So I can only conclude from this that the issue I think is either the wi-fi dongle that was originally in the P1 display or the P1 display itself is faulty.
It could still be the IpadMini I suppose or even the PocketFms App just messing me around but its a starting point to the answer.....I think/hope!

So I have now ordered a replacement Wi-fi dongle and we will see what happens....
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AlanR wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 6:01am:
So I have now ordered a replacement Wi-fi dongle and we will see what happens....

What brand of Wi-Fi dongle have you been using?
What brand did you just order?
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Reply #31 - Jun 15th, 2018 at 2:21pm

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wmince wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 12:05pm:
AlanR wrote on Jun 15th, 2018 at 6:01am:
So I have now ordered a replacement Wi-fi dongle and we will see what happens....

What brand of Wi-Fi dongle have you been using?
What brand did you just order?


I thought there was only one Wi-fi dongle to use with Skyview?......The official Dynon Wi-fi Adaptor dongle that Dynon say needs to be fitted in each Skyview display in order to seamlessly send flight plans from Ipad to Skyview. Is there another option that I don't know about?

I have now decided to replace both of them...May be a shotgun approach but it should at least eliminate them once and all from the issue.

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FYI, I use a nano sized usb wi-fi on both my RVs.† Was concerned about the length of the official size-wi-fi stick eventually causing problems.† Mine works fine so I donít think there is anything proprietary about the Dynon wi-fi adapter.
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While there are some other dongles out there that might happen to work, we only support the ones we actually sell. There are subtle but real differences in the chipsets that are inside of the random ones you can find on Amazon and similar, even from production run to production run of the same model.
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Reply #34 - Jun 24th, 2018 at 1:01am

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An update..
Well I have now changed both genuine Dynon Wifi dongles with like for like new ones.
Having done 3 flights now I can say that everything is working perfectly. Changes from 'Waiting for Skyview' to 'Send to Skyview' on Pocketfms Easyvfr happen straight away and all is good. Smiley

I just hope this is the end of the issue and it has been a faulty wifi dongle intermittently messing me around for all this time.Time will tell so fingers crossed!
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AlanR wrote on Jun 24th, 2018 at 1:01am:
An update..
Well I have now changed both genuine Dynon Wifi dongles with like for like new ones.
Having done 3 flights now I can say that everything is working perfectly. Changes from 'Waiting for Skyview' to 'Send to Skyview' on Pocketfms Easyvfr happen straight away and all is good. Smiley

Good.
And thanks for the update.
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Reply #36 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 12:31am

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Well..looks like I spoke too soon.
Since changing both Wifi dongles back in June everything has worked perfectly every time until yesterday when I got the old problem happening again!
I flew two one hour flights and both times I got the 'Waiting for Skyview' thing just the same as I did previously. Not quite as long as in the past, maybe 5-6minutes before changing to 'Send to Skyview, but the concern when you are waiting is, is it going to change at all and when!
So it seems changing the wifi dongles has not got to bottom of the issue. Cry
Clutching at straws now but wondering now if this maybe is some sort of interference issue from other instruments/wiring etc in the panel although nothing as changed since I built the plane two years ago.

To re-cap:- I have 2 x D1000 Skyviews with a backup Battery connected to the P1 screen only. Previously someone mentioned that maybe the backup battery was the issue. I performed the annual test a couple of months ago and it tested good.
The engine ( Rotax) is running when I am doing/attempting the IpadMini2 /Skyview flightplan transfer although in the past ( pre wifi dongle change) it made no difference engine running or not I still got the issue.

All thoughts ideas appreciated....


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Reply #37 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 5:12am

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Alan, just a thought - if you havenít done this try using the iPad without ships power & pull the adapter plug out of the 12volt socket if thatís the way itís been powered. Wink
 
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Reply #38 - Aug 2nd, 2018 at 8:16am

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Hi Jake,
Thanks for the input however I am usually using Ipad mini2 without any ships power for local flights. I can get 3.5hours use before needing to plug in to any power.
 
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There doesn't seem to be any knew ideas coming through here on the forum to my issue so I will continue with Dynon Support directly bey email.
 
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Reply #40 - Aug 5th, 2018 at 7:04am

AlanR   Offline
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There doesn't seem to be any knew ideas coming through here on the forum to my issue so probably my best plan is to continue with Dynon Support directly by email.
 
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