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Nov 27th, 2018 at 10:29pm

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The other day I was surprised that this particular screen config was not possible on a 2 screen setup.

1. Currently, when pushing FPL button from 20% EMS, 80% MAP SV goes to 50% EMS, 50% FPL. MAP disappears entirely. This is quite strange to me. Why not go to scenario #2 below.

2. Instead, I want SV to keep 20% EMS and show 40% MAP and 40% FPL. This is my expectation and would give much better SA than removing the MAP entirely.

3. If you start with 100% MAP and push FPL, you get 50% MAP and 50% FPL. Thus, it is possible to show MAP and FPL simultaneously, but only if you start 100% MAP.

The other irony to this, is that the 50% FPL display is actually setup to use only 40% of the display already. It just fills in the space with a blank column.

Thus, it would seem like a fairly simple change to support my scenario #2 above.

I hope you consider this fairly "minor" change!!!

« Last Edit: Nov 27th, 2018 at 10:31pm by jchang »  

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Reply #1 - Nov 28th, 2018 at 8:32am

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I suspect you are pushing the wrong buttons. I fly with 40/20/40 on my SV1000T, which is PFD/EMS/MAP. This is set using the Screen and Layout options/buttons.

FPL is related to Fight Planning.
 

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Reply #2 - Nov 28th, 2018 at 10:39am

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RayInGA wrote on Nov 28th, 2018 at 8:32am:
I suspect you are pushing the wrong buttons. I fly with 40/20/40 on my SV1000T, which is PFD/EMS/MAP. This is set using the Screen and Layout options/buttons.

FPL is related to Fight Planning.



Sounds like he's confusing "PFD" with "FPL" Smiley

PFD: Primary Flight Display

"If you start with 100% MAP and push [PFD], you get 50% MAP and 50% [PFD]." 

Yup.  Precisely as you should.
 
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Reply #3 - Nov 28th, 2018 at 11:38am

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No, I meant what I wrote in original post exactly as written.

I want exactly this: 20% EMS, 40% MAP, 40% FPL or Flightplan.

IE, this is exactly how the G1000 MFD works.

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Wow, this is pretty funny. I found this image just now. Unfortunately, it is a SIM! Even these SIM guys understand the issue and implemented their own custom screen!
https://www.mudspike.com/aerobask-epic-e1000-skyview-v2/

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I am trying to understand why the above display is not possible? 20% EMS, 40% MAP, 40% (FPL, INFO, Nearest, etc.) This layout is perfect but not possible, outside of the SIM.
« Last Edit: Nov 28th, 2018 at 11:50am by jchang »  

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Reply #4 - Nov 28th, 2018 at 3:23pm

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You said:

"Currently, when pushing FPL button from 20% EMS, 80% MAP SV goes to 50% EMS, 50% FPL. MAP disappears entirely. "

If you are really doing
Main Menu-MAP  followed by MAP Menu-FPL, it's doing exactly what the user's manual says:

Quote:
FPL
Press FPL (Flight Plan) to bring up a window that can be used to create, display, or modify a Flight Plan. Reference the Flight Planning section of this guide for details.


Quote:
Flight Plan Window
Press the FPL button in the MAP Menu to open the Flight Plan window and menu. The Flight Plan window contains tabs of available flight plan sources


etc.

Once you create a flight plan and activate it, isn't it shown on the Map?
 
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Reply #5 - Nov 29th, 2018 at 6:45am

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I certainly wouldn't want my flight instruments disappearing on my only display while I view a flight plan. Perhaps if you have two displays, and designate one display as MFD...
« Last Edit: Nov 29th, 2018 at 6:47am by krw5927 »  
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Reply #6 - Nov 29th, 2018 at 8:47am

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jchang wrote on Nov 28th, 2018 at 11:38am:
No, I meant what I wrote in original post exactly as written.

I want exactly this: 20% EMS, 40% MAP, 40% FPL or Flightplan.


Now I understand. It was not at all clear what you were trying to do from your first post.
 

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Reply #7 - Nov 29th, 2018 at 9:52am

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krw5927 wrote on Nov 29th, 2018 at 6:45am:
I certainly wouldn't want my flight instruments disappearing on my only display while I view a flight plan. Perhaps if you have two displays, and designate one display as MFD...


Yes, this on a dual display setup. I reviewed all the menus and manuals and could not find anything that would fix this. I even reviewed HDX manuals, and it seems to be the same as Touch.

I find it hard to believe this is an oversight that nobody noticed before. Is this a bug?

RayInGA wrote on Nov 29th, 2018 at 8:47am:
Now I understand. It was not at all clear what you were trying to do from your first post.


Yeah, sorry. I realized a picture is worth a thousand words. However, the SIM screenshot above is exactly what I wanted.

Also, it defies logic that a 20% EMS, 80% MAP screen goes to 50% EMS, 50% FPL. It seems logical to keep 20% EMS and split the MAP side into 40% MAP, 40% FPL, right?

« Last Edit: Nov 29th, 2018 at 9:56am by jchang »  

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Reply #8 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 10:08am

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I find it hard to believe this is an oversight that nobody noticed before. Is this a bug?


Also, it defies logic that a 20% EMS, 80% MAP screen goes to 50% EMS, 50% FPL. It seems logical to keep 20% EMS and split the MAP side into 40% MAP, 40% FPL, right?



I don't use the FLP screen much so I hadn't noticed the behavior. Most of my FPL updates are done on my phone in FF and transferred to the SV over wifi.

An email to Dynon support might be helpful to see if this is expected behavior.
 

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Reply #9 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 6:57pm

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This is expected behavior. The only time that you'll get a flight plan/map split screen in SkyView Classic and Touch is when you're full-screen map. Some of us here would like what is depicted in the sim above, but there are deep technical constraints in those systems' windowing and UX subsystems that make this harder than we wish it were.

 

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Reply #10 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:06am

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Dynon, appreciate the reply. Totally understand. The reality of tech sometimes.

I am training for my IFR, hence I was trying out slight variations in screen layouts. I realize now that I am fine with the screen setup I have. No need for changes.

Enroute:
PFD: 40% MAP, 60% PFD or 40% PFD and 20% EMS
MFD: 20% EMS, 80% MAP

Approach mode:
PFD: 40% PLATE, 60% PFD
MFD: 20% EMS, 80% MAP

FPL edits are mostly made on the PFD, and I can review the big picture map on the MFD simultaneously. Hence, I still get the functionality that I want.

Thanks for the update!
 

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Reply #11 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:10am

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RayInGA wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 10:08am:
I don't use the FLP screen much so I hadn't noticed the behavior. Most of my FPL updates are done on my phone in FF and transferred to the SV over wifi.


However, I think the same behavior occurs when viewing the INFO page as well. I would think you would regularly use INFO page, even with wifi for METAR info (with ads-b in), frequencies, runway layout, remarks, vors, etc.

 

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Reply #12 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 9:11am

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jchang wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:10am:
RayInGA wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 10:08am:
I don't use the FLP screen much so I hadn't noticed the behavior. Most of my FPL updates are done on my phone in FF and transferred to the SV over wifi.


However, I think the same behavior occurs when viewing the INFO page as well. I would think you would regularly use INFO page, even with wifi for METAR info (with ads-b in), frequencies, runway layout, remarks, vors, etc.




Yes, it does hide a lot of the screen when viewing INFO, which I use often. Not much you can do about that, IMO. Having dual screens makes it a non-problem for me.
 

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Reply #13 - Dec 4th, 2018 at 9:27am

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I do have dual screens, but it would still be beneficial IMHO. Wink Several cases.

NRST airport in case of engine out. Do you want just a list of bearings or would be nice to see them SIMUL on MAP, too. Having MAP and NRST shown right next to each other is ideal, especially in emergencies.

Tracking VOR's, where you want FREQ's shown with the VOR ID. Referring to MAP and NRST VOR's is useful, too.

Verifying waypoints on your FPL while IFR. Moving your head too much is dangerous while IFR.
« Last Edit: Dec 4th, 2018 at 9:30am by jchang »  

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